Well, Cook County's States Attorneys have found us. Thank you SCC I know we have you to owe to that.
Anonymous said...
I am an ASA who has spent time in the felony review unit. I understand that many rejections appear on their face to be arbitrary, but in most cases there is a reason for the rejection that is based on sound legal principles. I know from experience that there are ASAs out there who are not as knowledgeable as either their partners or the officers for whom they are reviewing charges. By the same token, I have dealt with police officers who I have caught in lies, who refuse to gather basic information on victims and witnesses, who fall asleep in the midst of handwritten statements that they are supposed to be witnessing and who have less of a grasp on how to conduct a criminal investigation than I do. What I don't understand is why the people who post on this blog feel like they need to lodge such personal attacks on people in our office. I worked hard for my law degree, as did most of my friends in the office. I chose to work here, probably for the same reason that many of you chose to be police officers - to make a difference. The idiots who have to sink to the depths of challenging our intellectual abilities, but are unable to string together a coherent sentence themselves are usually the guys who think every case should be an approval regardless of how unreliable the victims and witnesses are and how little evidence there is. As for the genius who refers to us as first year law students: by the time I STARTED in felony review I had tried more cases than you have or ever will testify in. I have nothing but for respect for most police officers. I have had very few bad experiences with police officers during my time in this office. Lay off the sweeping statements about ASAs; some of you actually make good points, but they can't be heard over the cacophonous whining about rejected retail thefts.
Here is the thing counselor, we are not out here to destroy everyone at Felonious Review, we are here to laugh at them. I know as do all of these other police officers that come on this blog that roughly 5% of you are actually good attorneys. We also know that a copper who has spent more than 2 years on the streets, in a fast district or suburb, has more experience in law than most Felony Review States Attorneys. We all also know that there are quite a few useless coppers out there. Counselor, we are not out there to try cases we are out there to make them, so to me it doesn't matter if you tried 300 cases before you went to Felony Review, we don't try cases we see the crime, we walk through the crime scene, we see the victims, we deal with the victims, right after everything just happened. Then they look at us like we are the assholes when Felony Review rejects charges, then we become callused to everything else because we all know no matter what Felonious Review will reject the charges. With excuses like keys in the vehicle (not in the ILCS Statute), Mutual Combatants (makes it perfectly OK), no receipt, or my personal favorite maybe he was going to give it back. We are simply making a statement and giving our facts.
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I did come here to make a difference like yourself counselor, just every time I do and try to make that difference Felony Review smacks that difference down.
You are correct. The PSMV statute says nothing about keys in the vehicle being a bar to prosecution. Neither the retail theft nor criminal damage to property statute says anything about receipts. The murder statute says nothing about medical examiners, but try proving a murder in court without a medical examiner to testify as to the manner of death. Just because the statute doesn’t enumerate the evidentiary requirements for a particular offense doesn’t mean there aren’t any. Our job is to anticipate the evidentiary requirements for any given case and make sure they are present. If they are not, it’s a rejection. If they are, it’s an approval. If the police officer refuses to gather the evidence necessary, the case is a continuing investigation. There is an entire room of continuing investigation files at 26th street – an entire room of files that have not been rejected or approved because of police officers who are convinced they know more about the law than we do. I’m sure you are aware that we deal with victims as well. As frustrating as it is telling a victim that their case isn’t being charged, try to imagine what it is like telling a victim that the person who raped them, or crippled them or killed their son is going to walk because the police who interrogated the offender didn’t mirandize him properly – or at all. You say that you don’t try cases, you see crime. Why is it, then, that you consider yourself qualified to tell us how to try cases? As I said before, I respect police officers. I never saw an Aggravated Battery of a police officer I wouldn’t approve as a felony review ASA. I know that cops are risking way more than I am when they go to work every day. I’ll stay out of it and let you have your fun. All I know is that I’m getting paid almost nothing and work ridiculous hours. It would be nice to know that the people we are supposed to be working with – despite occasional disagreements – held a modicum of respect for the important jobs we do and the sacrifices we make.
HEY LAWYER, BITE ME!!!!!!!!!!!
You sharks keep trying to justify your jobs, a majority of the United States does not use a felony review. The reason we have one is so that we can hide more political hacks and give them jobs. As for you Mr. Attorney, you're right all that stuff is needed just as you said for court. You mopes aren't judges, that stuff that can be brought to court not for on the phone the night of the crime. Because I know that most States Attorneys that actually have a home, not some condo or apartment, they can get receipts for their windows or property and present them to the police at 2 or 3 am in the morning. Get over it. How frustrating it is for the victim how about for us? Seeing the same shit head walking the streets every night because of some asshole attorney, an attorney that wasn't even the bad guys, it was ours. Thats frustrating.
And let"s not forget... He said it wasn't his dope, to be followed by another all-time favorite..He didn't know how it got in his pocket, or his ride.
I saw on the news today that the crime rate in Chicago is down. That's because felony review won't approve anything that isn't a slam dunk case! Killing crime by rejection. Examples: 1 on 1 robberies, and PSMV w/ keys.
Off topic but...can you change the red type on the black background. It's a bitch to read.
The big problem with Felony Review today is that the A.S.A.s are not allowed to make their own approvals with out calling that mush Darren. If you are all such great Lawyers why do you need to check with the boss? It's obvious your bosses don't think your all so competent.
The other problem is they feel that they must try the case in the District or the Area. This again points the competence issue. If the case is not 100% fool proof, the A.S.A.s office is afraid to take the case to trial.
Most of the cases that get called in are what they are, and no matter what the A.S.A. wants done will not make the case any better. This does not mean a crime did not occurr and the victim was not victimized. Grow some balls and send it to court. Let the Judge make the call, thats what they get paid for.
TO; 4:58 PM,
You said, "There is an entire room of continuing investigation files at 26th street – an entire room of files that have not been rejected or approved because of police officers who are convinced they know more about the law than we do".
So what your telling us is that Felony Review rejects cases because the A.S.A. does not like the officer, because he thinks he knows to much???
Typical Bull Shit excuse not to charge the case.
You said, "try to imagine what it is like telling a victim that the person who raped them, or crippled them or killed their son is going to walk because the police who interrogated the offender didn’t mirandize him properly – or at all".
Every fool, I have ever locked up claimed the were never Mirandized the minute the case went to court.
Now you sound like a Public Defender
B/S excuse number 2
You Said. "Why is it, then, that you consider yourself qualified to tell us how to try cases"?
I was not aware the it was Felony Review's job to try cases! I have been doing this for 20 years 12 as a Detective and have never observered an officer or another Detective ever tell an A.S.A. how to try a case.
It's usually the other way around, the A.S.A. telling us how to do our jobs. There is no A.S.A. in that office unless they have been the Police that can tell us how to conduct an investigation. You cant learn it in school, not even in law school!
Whats this crap about you having respect for Police Officers, because you approve Agg. Battery to the Police? We all know it's protocall for the A.S.A.s regardless.
You sound like your part of the problem in Felony Review, not as you put someone who is supose to working with us.
GET OVER YOURSELF.
Asshat, you just ruined my families life! They will not be able to pry this keyboard out of my hands. I can post 24/7 about the B/S in Felony Review 20 years worth. I can feel my stress level going down already.
Great Idea, THANK YOU.
HEY:
Just found it;GREAT BLOG SITE
GOOD LUCK
Keys in car? What the fuck is that? They are in possession of a stolen motor vehicle correct? P.S.M.V isn't it? Thats the crime they commited WTF?
As with gun cases, Felony Review wants a statement from the offender. They aren't the brightest bulbs, but they aren't stupid either. So I should lie on my case report and say he admitted to having the gun to please Felony Review? Shit, you can't get a statement from them because they go to sleep on the bench as soon as we get to the district.
If we don't see him coming out of a residence with proceeds, it's not a burglary?
If a store doesn't have a video tape, no felony retail theft?
If keys are in the vehicle, no PSMV?
If an officer doesn't get the living shit kicked out of them, no Agg Batt?
Give me a break. If it's not a clear cut case you don't bother with it. Use your education and skills and give it a shot. You're afraid to try the tough ones!
......won't approve anything that isn't a slam dunk case! Killing crime by rejection. Examples: 1 on 1 robberies, and PSMV w/ keys.......
I'm not rejecting IM ORDERING C/I!!!!! AND, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE MY NAME, WHY DO YOU NEED MY NAME??? (Sound familiar?)
In response to the ASA who posted at 4:58pm - I'll try keep it brief.
Your argument comparing receipts and keys, or lack thereof, to a medical examiner testimony is completely faulty. I have never seen a homicide investigation wrap up that night/day with an offender in custody BEFORE the medical examiner has completed the autopsy. So, yeah, you would have to put the ME on the stand to testify as to manner of death. But are you asking for that information before charges are approved? No, you're not. But you do ask for more than what is in a statute - receipts, keys, etc - BEFORE charges are approved. Just because the statute doesn’t enumerate the evidentiary requirements for a particular offense doesn’t mean there aren’t any - NOR DOES IT MEAN YOU CAN MAKE THEM UP.
If you think that having a law degree makes you automatically worth of respect, you are sadly mistaken. You want our respect? Earn it. You chose your profession. Don't earn that much? I get it. But you chose it. Now live with it.
As a patrolman with 27 years experience, I've worked in Uptown, Fillmore, Grand Central and Jefferson Park. During this time, I recall that I had asked for a felony overide around four times. Three were approved and during court the shithead pled guilty. Only one was rejected by the street deputy. The prick never even heard what I had to say. He was one lazy dude. Actually, the street deputy was a low life piece of shit who came on the job with a GED back then and needed help to spell his name correctly. Clout worked for him.
Now getting back to this topic. Just what is the percentage rate of convictions resulting from an "overide"? My guess is that's it may be around 90%.
Let's hear from the ASA or the ASA with 2 years experience who hasn't the balls to confront you face to face, only over the phone and then tells you they won't be out. On the ASA behalf, there are a few good ones there, to the others...lose the all mighty attitude.
Liar liar pants are on fire.
"Our job is to anticipate the evidentiary requirements for any given case and make sure they are present. If they are not, it’s a rejection."
While I understand your statement, to approve a case all you need is Probable cause. That's why they have probable cause hearings. The problem is that the ASAs do not look for probable cause and want everything there right now or will reject. The ASAs act like they are trying the case right there and then. If more is needed later you have States attorneys investigators who are supposed to follow up for you. You may be a nice guy, or Gal, ASA but I can honestly say in my 15 plus years the majority of the time the ASA takes the side of the defendant over the Police.
Lawyer,
Go back to the PO from Des Plaines who had his Agg Batt case summarily cut to pieces by a boss in your office. Who called to have that done? Now tell me it is all on the square.
I am an ASA on felony review, and am utterly disgusted with everyone on this sight. We work very hard to make sure victims get justice and that the law is followed. Doing further investigation on a case is part of your job. If you are going to be lazy and complain, then don't call the case in. Many of you are forgeting that we are on the same side. Having a site like this is only going to cause problems between the police and the states attorneys. I have many friends who are officers, and good ones. They are honest and hard working. For those of you complaining on this site, try being more like them. Unfortunately, as you all know, if just takes a few lazy asshole cops to make you all look bad. This site being a perfect example!
June 23, 2007 11:33 AM
We are the ones who work for the good guys, a rift between the police and ASA's that was done years ago kid. As far as laziness and lying, 25 years and I have to do either. The problem is most of you ASA's worry about your batting average, like many have said all ready, try to play judge over the phone, and come up with most of the ridiculous crap needed to get charges. Here is the rift, we need a felony review like we need extra holes in our head. Victims are victims the only people that ever have rights and are given the benfit of the doubt are the criminals. The poor victim gets his car stolen after his house was burglarized and the asshole walks on a Misdemeanor because the keys were in the car. That is bullshit, give the Victim their time in court, their time to get in front of the judge and say, your honor I never gave that guy permission to have my vehicle. Here is my other favorite, sorry officer it is domestic related PSMV (a new statute only heard of in Cook County Felony Review) it's Criminal Trespass. Bullshit. Mutual combatants, bullshit. I have always been very thorough in my arrests the assholes statements and have many a good cases rejected. These morons on the streets have been playing the criminal game longer than most of you ASA's have been around. They know the ins and outs because they know how fucked our felony review system is. They know they are gonna walk if they say this or that. Why because you all have allowed it to become that way. Officer get a statement on if it was his gun, are you kidding me? The guy has been to the joint twice, has street smarts (unlike most States Attorneys) he knows to deny. Hell, most kids with half a brain in their head know to deny when they do wrong. So keep on trying to give us excuses that it is our fault. This blog is here to expose the bullshit. Hopefully someone out there will read this that is a reporter or a plain jane citizen and see that a majority of the time it is not us that doesn't get charges on certain crimes, it is because we were denied by the all mighty 1 year wonders working felony review.
Wow, You cry babies hit an all time low... You whine and cry when the media a Joe blow paints a broad picture of the police department when a couple of guys screw up, but the same doesn't apply to anyone else? Sure there are some goofs in the ASA's office but to say they are all bad is just stupid. I know, I know, you are the greatest copper that every lived and you know everything about the law and how cases are put together and everyone else is just a dummy. I am sure some detectives can back me up on this but have you ever read some of the arrest and case reports that you great coppers put in the baskets? Its comical! My advice to young coppers is to take 5, slow down, think about what you write and say, review it a couple times and read it out loud. Make sure you have everything together then call the ASA. If you have everything in a pretty package with all the I’s And T'S dotted and crossed its almost impossible for them to deny legitimate charges. The ASA is a 3rd party investigator. They were not there when pookie punched you in the face. They do not have the same personal attachment to your case/arrest. Just like how you could care less when you show up and have to hear about ray ray punching his wife. If your going to have a ASA website how about a format like SCC. We could hear about the good and the bad, have some laughs, maybe even some tips and clues on how to make sure your cases are approved. To outright bash the hole asa office is just stupid.
I've been a detective for 9 years and I've heard every excuse that one can imagine by a felony review state's attorney to blow off a case. I heard from a inside source in the state's attorney's office that they have a "quota system", or actually a culling system where they are told to get rid of a certain percentage of cases because the courtrooms are too busy. For instance a case was rejected because the state's attorney told me I had a bad attitude. Darrin O'Brien also likes to set up impossible hurdles to get cases approved for investigators to overcome and he knows this because this is a form of the culling process. Did anyone get a check case rejected because the subject stated he/she received the check in the mailbox, although his/her statement has been checked thoroughly and PROVED to be crap by the investigator? Or how about getting rejected because a photo array is either not good enough in court or as I was told inadmissable in court. How hard is it to get a warrant? Felony review acts like getting a warrant is a felony conviction. A warrant is simply probable cause to arrest someone.
Officers, please use ASA names when giving a story and a time frame...it adds a lot of credibility to your story..stories that are many years old should be irrelevant and we should be looking at current affairs and the current liberal regime. If you post a name, date, and circumstances it will then be up to the reader to decide if it is truthful. This is why liberals hate talk radio, because talk radio leaves it up to the listener to decide, unlike liberal television news that has decided what you should think.What can an ASA complain about if you present a credible story that is backed by fact, and the ASA's screwed you, and now they are upset that everyone now knows the truth about their decision making.
Remember.....
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!
REMEMBER:
The ASA's are lawyers. Plain and simple. And in today's world NO lawyer should be trusted. Public or private sector, they are out to make a name for themselves.
Im sure they love to tell their stories at holiday parties about all the good they are doing, but in all reality they are liars that are contributing to the downfall of the city with crime.
Their famalies would vomit if they knew that their star relative lawyer was not charging killers and rapists that were absolutely guilty.
And when the ASA's and their families garages and houses are burglarized, they all cry about poor police service. But do the ASA's ever step up and admit the burglar probably could have been charged with a Felony and held in CC 10 times in the last month but he was let go on B.S. And now the shithead arrestee knows he will never be charged and convicted and that crime really does pay.
ASA's of Crook County,
THERE IS BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!
Cook County ASA=Friends of Criminals
All lawyers are liberals, and therefore how are we allowing all of these liberal ASA's the power to approve Felonies???
What do you think is going to happen?
Has Devine's kid ever had a Felony Review rejection? He is the greatest cop out there, just ask him.
ASA's answer the question, if Abbatte was a carpenter, would he have been charged with agg batt? you know the answer say it! our beef is not with you but with your bosses.
p.s. you girls should put together a calender for charity, most of you are hot as f--k!
I doubt if Devine will ever personally read this blog. He is way too lazy. He'll let Bob Milan read it for him like he lets that goof run the SAO
Dear Dick: Got you latest invite to ANOTHER $1500 dinner.
Ummm, sorry, can't make it.
WOW,
"I am an ASA on felony review, and am utterly disgusted with everyone on this sight".
No you are disgusted by the fact that someone came up with a GREAT way to finally call attention to all the B/S going on in Felony Review.
Whats the problem, the truth Hurts?
"Doing further investigation on a case is part of your job".
You are right,
However felony Reviews idea of a C/I is make the Police jump through a thousand hoops most of them unessesary in the hope the case will just go away.
"Having a site like this is only going to cause problems between the police and the states attorneys. I have many friends who are officers, and good ones. They are honest and hard working. For those of you complaining on this site, try being more like them. Unfortunately, as you all know, if just takes a few lazy asshole cops to make you all look bad".
You are WRONG,
It's the A.S.A.s that are causing the problems betwen the Police and
Felony Review. This site has nothing to do with it, but I Guess you have to blame someone.
Your comment should read,
"I am an ASA and have many friends who are lazy asshole states attorneys. Having a site like this is only going to cause problems between my freinds in Felony review".
You are, Oh sorry just having a little fun with the last one.
I am an ASA on felony review, and am utterly disgusted with everyone on this sight. We work very hard to make sure victims get justice and that the law is followed. Doing further investigation on a case is part of your job. If you are going to be lazy and complain, then don't call the case in. Many of you are forgeting that we are on the same side. Having a site like this is only going to cause problems between the police and the states attorneys. I have many friends who are officers, and good ones. They are honest and hard working. For those of you complaining on this site, try being more like them. Unfortunately, as you all know, if just takes a few lazy asshole cops to make you all look bad. This site being a perfect example!
June 23, 2007 11:33 AM
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Your disgust should be with the office in which you work, not the police. No one has ever said that EVERY asa is a useless piece of shit. This website is a venting outlet for when we have charges rejected due to standards that do not exist in the statute. It's as simple as that.
And for you to think that this site will cause a rift between asa's and po's? Hate to break it to you, but the rift already exists. Maybe you just weren't tuned into it.
--Signed
A hard working and honest cop - who is also an attorney - and fed up with the ASA office
My arrestees always say they want to make a statement, but only to a ASA in person.
To all ASAs who have worked themselves into a lather over the half-wits on this site badmouthing you: you are trading barbs with guys who think "families" is spelled "famalies." Don't waste your time. Let the career patrolmen on this site piss and moan about their class 4 felonies being rejected. To you pathetic coppers, find a hobby.
MAYBE, just MAYBE Devine should assign ASA's to each area, so that they can come out PERSONALLY and take statements from the shitheads we arrest on a daily basis!!
Nah, it won't happen...too much like a good idea!!
u still suck
If all felony review does is reject charges why are there so many criminal cases? How did you guys get overrides on over 11.000 cases so far this year. Clean your own house before your dirty others! I have no doubt that if you bring cases with honest police officers and honest witnesses who will actually come to court then the State's Attorney's office approves the charges. Furthermore, maybe you should whine a little more privately since it's hard enough to keep the criminals locked up because of all the negative press against the police. Why would you guys thinks it's a good idea to air your dirty laundry in such a public fashion?
ASA's FINE and PARA know the game, and will work with us, as will several others.
If getting charges is really a problem, call felony review, talk to the ASA's, and do your paper as they advise, if necessary.
If you constantly get denied felony charges, then you are wrong, not the ASA's.
Right and wrong matter as much in law as they do in marrage, nill.
We have rules we need to follow, and so do the ASA's.
IT'S ALL BULLSHIT! You should know that by now.
June 23, 2007 8:33 PM
Sorry in my 28 years I didn't suck dick as good as you to become a boss. Class 4 felony or not most of these guys are complaining about how the ASA's act as judges over the phone. Sorry that most don't spell as good as you do or hit one to many keys while typing. Since your dumb ass brought up the topic how about your grammatical error, shouldn't you have used a ; instead of a : in between you are trading and badmouthing you?
To the ASA that made a remark about a spelling error in your
June 23, 2007 at 8:33 pm, it is funny that you could not find any other problems with the officer's views!! Your FAMILY would
vomit if they really knew your work procedures to free rapists and Agg. Battery-Handgun offenders. The problems of Cook County only matter to you when YOUR FAMILY is involved!
Consider this:
Wheteher you are a police officer or an ASA, both professions in Cook County are considered a joke to the rest of the U.S.
ASA's, please also consider when you reject important charges, you are not screwing PO's but the community!
This has got to be one of the best sites out there. Now these clueless bunch of flunkies can be exposed. I hope the media sees this and starts asking some questions. I will be posting every rejection on here from now on. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. I'm in the burbs in District 2 land of the lost!
to 11:07,
I don't think "11.000" which should be 11,000 cases have even been called into Feloney Review this year, Let alone 11,000 overrides. If you do the math thats about 52 over rides a day. I doubt there are 52 over rides a month. I don't think F/R even gets 52 calls a day. From whom did you get your infromation, or did they teach you how to make this stuff up in Law School?
We have been trying to get Felony Review to understand our side for many years. They just refuse to listen!!! In their opinion they are the Lawyers and they know every thing and the Police don't know shit. My two year old understands better that any one in Felony Review.
Whine a little more quietly you said, to late for that know. The police are a public service we get bashed all the time in the press because of a few bad apples we accept it as part of the job.
NEWS FLASH, Felony Review and the S.A.O. is also a public service and now it's time for you to share
in the fun. Hold on it's going to be one hell of a ride!
I have just printed up some cards with this web address. I am going to hand them out to every victim whoes case gets rejected or C/Ied for bullshit. I will write in the A.S.A.s name on the card. I hope all of the officers who visit this site will do the same.
I WORK THE POLITICAL SCENE AND GUESS WHO VOLUNTEERS FOR ELECTIONS FOR THE ALDERMAN, STATES ATTORNEYS.
THEY HAVE TO EARN THEIR JUICE JUST LIKE THE GARBAGE MEN AND COPPERS.
MOST SEEM VERY NAIVE AS THOU THEY FELL OF A TURNIP TRUCK AND LANDED IN THE GHETTO.
This one goes out to Jun 23, 2007- 8:30 PM
FUCK YOU !!!! Not everyone can spell as good as you . You are probably one of the ASA's that finished 201 out of a class of 200. I guess when they install spell check on the Blogs we will all be as good as you. No one deputized you to be the spell check police. so go home and get your fuckin' shine box you MORON .
I am amazed that we even have Felony Review in Cook County. Most other major cities in America and jurisdictions in Illinois (outside of cook county) do not even have such an entity.
The officers simply do the complaints and it goes to an arraignment hearing (similer to a PC Hearing in Cook County)where a Judge decides, or a Grand Jury with the help of the DA's office.
But Cook County makes you call ASA's and jump through a bunch of hurdles.
But in their defense they are over worked..because CC is the largest justice system by volume in the "free world"
In China justice is swift. A bullet to the back of the head, in 30 days or less.
...Off topic but...can you change the red type on the black background. It's a bitch to read.
June 23, 2007 12:08 AM...
THANK YOU, MUCH BETTER NOW
STANDARDS:
FOR ARREST AND CHARGING; PROBABLE CAUSE.
FOR CONVICTION; PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
WE DO OUR JOB, DO YOURS, DON'T SET THE BAR AT PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT FOR THE POLICE TO CHARGE. DO YOUR JOB IN THE COURTROOM, NOT IN OUR DISTRICT/AREA
Hey Guys,
I used to be an asa until I was let go with the 42 others on March 2, 2007. Bill Frost RIP. I had years in. When I was on the review for eight months I only
rejected 7 felony charges, and that was with detective approval. Needless to say I was not popular with Milo or the rest. Remember the 26th street mentality is like no other. They Drink beer every afternoon at the office
and think that they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. The real problem is, the office has always protected the incompetent and the politically connected at the expense of the good ASA's and the police. They can't try a case, so when they loose they blame the police. Most felony review assistants have had very little exposure to real criminal cases and they are told to be careful, because if they approve a bad case, they will be forced to try it.
They treat the regular Police Officer like crap, yet when they get stopped they are always asking for some break. What you guys should do is take the gloves off.
These men and women are hipocritical boozers. Milan gets loaded, Scott Cassidy who feels the police set his brother up gets drunk in Joliet and gets a pass,John Mahoney gets drunk in his office every day. Just start doing traffic stops on these idiots
and you will make your numbers for the "Year" plus you will get some needed regime change.
ASA- Cop probably fell asleep because it took 3 hours for you to get to the station.
Please keep in mind that when you bash the "political hacks" and ASAs who supposedly could not get a job anywhere else, you are also insulting all the ASAs who have been nothing but professional, decent and helpful to you. Further, please realize that by making such broad-sweeping statements, you are reducing yourself to the level of Pookie on the street who screams that every police officer is a donut-eating, racist piece of sh*t.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Hold on a secky here! Now just hold on! CPD fella's that are writing this crap against felony review, and other asa's for that matter. Drink your god damn Gator ade and have a cup of coffee fer christs sake, and get over last nights hang-over. What the hell is wrong with you all?
My first observation here by my CPD brethren is if you are soooo angry about a rejection then accept the fact that YOU dont have a story that rides with the facts or evidence.
Also understand the fact that our asa's are SO over loaded with cases that their system suffers the same ways as ours.
Lastly, understand that some times it just doesn't work out, but mostly it does; thank god.
Now this site or "Blog" brings me to a new point.
WHAT WE ALL NEED; The CPD and CCSAO needs a place of gathering and heavy drinking. A party of special magnificants. A new JUNK YARD DOG!!
Put this bullshit away, and have fun.
O.K. I'm going back to bed now. Geesh its 2:00pm, I hope I don't over sleep. Nite, Nite.
Oh! Before I go back to sleep, if another god damn cop complains about a shop lifter up grade, please do us all a favor and throw in an application to 35th street; They need people like you REAl badly.
Alright time for bed...Darrin O' I got something under the blanket, and its not a tent pole...hee hee hee.....
Listen, if you really want to stick it to the incompetent ASA's in the office just site the specific cases on here. Name of victim, offender, RD#, crime comitted, reason charges were denied etc, etc. Just list out facts and let them stand for themselves.
I personally have had few problems with Felony Review. That being said, there really is no reason for Felony Review. That's what the probable cause hearing is for. Felony review should really be called Cherry Picking Review. Its typical Crook County numbers game. Only prosecute those cases where "even a cave man could do it" and then tout your 98% conviction rate to the public at the end of the year. Kinda like when our boss touts the drop in the homicide rate at the end of the year, but leaves out the part about the mass exodus of project inhabitants into the suburbs that the Mayor has caused by tearing down all the CHA high rises. Or how about the miracles of modern medicine.
Although the vague concept of this site is ok and would be a great way to create dialogue with the ASA's office, it will not last. Most of the posts by "the asshat" appear to already be losing interest (who cares about your off topic story; this hasn't been around long enough to weather dull posts).
The other reason it will not last is the few asa's that will respond won't for long when the only witty police responses are, "fuck you" or "You suck". There are only a few intelligent officers on this site that could carry on an educated debate.
So, while somewhat amusing I predict a slow death, killed off by lack of interest and charges rejected because the victim and offender are mutual comabatants.
Finally, the profanity slinging, name calling officers on this site have no idea what they're talking about and are an embarrassment to the rest of us. Fortunately there aren't many and they have been embarrassing us for years on SCC, so nobody really pays attention them anymore.
SCC can accomplish the same thing as this blog with a few good posts.
Looking at this from the outside, as a person living in one of the "red" states, I can only say that I am damned glad I do not live in Cook County. I have just one question for the ASA folks ...
Do you really want people making their own justice?
Because that is the inevitable end of this road you are on. People demand justice. If they do not get it, they will eventually decide to start making their own.
And if it really gets that bad, the police might just get a bit blind.
If you're having a problem with an unreasonable state's attorney, get permission from the watch commander to send a car to Devine's house and ask him to call the watch commander. When he calls, just explain the problem. You'll get his attention real quick. He's an elected public official. He won't mind.
Been a dick for nearly 20 years. Never had a problem with Felony review.
If you know want is needed when to speak the F.R. you will get charges approved. If they are rejected, so fucking what.
Keep getting stressed out worrying about some honor student who gets piched and walks. You will be getting a triple by-pass before you are 40 yoa.
P.S. They get convicted and walk anyway in Crook County.
I have many friends who are officers, and good ones. They are honest and hard working. For those of you complaining on this site, try being more like them. Unfortunately, as you all know, if just takes a few lazy asshole cops to make you all look bad. This site being a perfect example!
The honest and hardworking cops are the ones complaining! Unfortunately hardworking cops get tired of seeing their hardwork thrown out the window by FR. For instance, a car chase (hot on leads)turns into a foot chase. The cop catches the asshole and cuts his knee open in the process. The asshole has a 7 page rap sheet but because the keys were in the car he gets I bonded before the copper even gets seen in the E.R. Ask yourself are the "asshole" cops you are refering to lazy or apathetic because of similar scenarios.
P.S. the asshole even told me I wouldn't get felony approval because he had the keys.
Gerry the greek female ASA. Hey way to throw the coppers on he stand without any prep on a murder trial because you were running late. Now you are a supervisor heaven help us! Dect for 11 years now definately some stories but but more good than bad experiences from the SAO. Poppa, Holmes McKay Kerbis, Sharon OP(don't know how to spell your name but sorry we are losing you)Robertson even Bernie(RIP) and 100 more Im sure I am missing Thanks and good job.
P.S. I like the calender idea especially Peterson in FR
well said ass hat!
Hey anonymous,
The Gerry you are talking about is Indian not Greek. Glad to see that after 11 years of detecting crime you have trouble determining basic demographics. Somehow I think hours and hours of preparation with you would not have saved this case. Thanks for your hard work.
Anonymous said...
Gerry the greek female ASA. Hey way to throw the coppers on he stand without any prep on a murder trial because you were running late. Now you are a supervisor heaven help us! Dect for 11 years now definately some stories but but more good than bad experiences from the SAO. Poppa, Holmes McKay Kerbis, Sharon OP(don't know how to spell your name but sorry we are losing you)Robertson even Bernie(RIP) and 100 more Im sure I am missing Thanks and good job.
P.S. I like the calender idea especially Peterson in FR
Hello,
I am an ASA. Please do not think we are all bad. We are just trying to do the right thing. That is why we took this job. The last year and a half has been terrible. I have been talking this over with my husband, but I have to stay because we need both incomes. But, I know I am only fooling myself, because it is only the women who put out or the ones that clout who advance. Just look at S.C and S.N., how long has she been a trial lawyer.
All the good people go to civil, special units or leave the office.
Sometimes it looks like the rapture came and I was left behind.
I really do not know what is better, to go and work as a defense attorney on the "Dark Side" or to stick it out and see if D.D. runs again. I wish we had some kind of recourse, if this keeps up the office will be in big trouble.
P.S. This Blog is all over 26th street
hey ASA, your boss Devine is a crooked little weasel, just like he looks like. Betwen him and Daley, they don't together even have half a ball.
I believe, like most police, most ASAs are all right and try, they, like us, have to work the system to survive. ASAs should be happy though, what they do wrong will be aired here unlike us, who have everything on TV and in the paper. I think they try, but some are straight up jerks, and need to be exposed just so people realize the system is broke not the just police. Also, maybe this will open a dialogue between us and the ASAs, so we can go after the REAL problem...the JUDGES.
Felony Review is necessary as long as the CPD has political hack dummies in the Watch Commander and above ranks, who are not smart enough to interpret the laws, and get all sides of the story regarding offenders in custody for felony crimes. As Capt. Roselle if she could determine if Felony Charges are warranted against someone. That's a scary one!!!
During my short 3 years on this job, I've contacted felony review several times, with a 70% success rate by my estimates (usually guns or dope, maybe 2-3 hot cars and a shoplifter). ASA's do realize that when we get a shoplifter/holding the offender call, we are mandated by the dept to contact you for an upgrade that we all know isn't going to happen? Unfortunately, that is a useless phone call that we need to make to satisfy our job requirements, and as such I can't say that I ever really expected an upgrade? If you want to trim the calls down, send us a list of criteria, in writing. When we're in the academy, we're taught what the elements of a crime are, the basics of what we need to effect the arrest and conduct a PRELIMINARY investigation and who to notify based upon those factors. Most of us learn over time what the extra steps are to any good solid case, but generally speaking, even when we believe we have a solid case, there always seems to be one or two more necessary things needed, the offender statement for example. If I grab a guy with a gun on him, why is it necessary for him to admit that he had a pistol? There are usually at least 2-4 officers on scene. If my credibility is that suspect, then why give me the powers of arrest at all? I've worked with several ASA's now, most of the ones that I've dealt with have been really good, a handful, not so much, but then I'm sure that the same applies in our arena as well. To the good ones, I appreciate the tips and guidance, to the bad ones, just do me the favor and don't answer the phone, pass the buck back off to a good one.
Cacophounus! Wowee!
June 29, 2007 4:42 PM
I am not here to say that everyone of you is bad. I have come across quite a few that I like, that doesn't have the blanket idea that we are all lying and really do try and help us with what we are doing. I have also come across quite a few that aren't worth a damn, unfortunately it seems we are coming across more that are useless or counterproductive than we are the good ones. Some coppers may hate every ASA out there and some don't.
To the ASA who was let go in March of 2007... You had to be a worthless piece of shit to get laid off. Who the fuck are you bullshitting by coming on here telling everyone what a good friend you were to the police?
Glad your gone
The Asshat's brother
Whoever you are Asshat you're a joke and another obvious poser who tries to sell himself off as a working police officer. As a homicide detective who has investigated hundreds of homicides and testified in court more hours than you have sleeping in your squad car, I have to say it is people like you who perpetuate this us against them mentality regarding the State's Attorney's Office and the CPD. I have NEVER and I will say it again NEVER had a homicide case rejected by the state's attorney's office unless we were seeking to get it rejected. All the morons who complain about Darren O'Brien and the rest of the Deputies on Felony Review do so because they are incompetent clout babies who should not be detectives. They amass horse shit cases, call felony review when the case is no where near being ready for review and wonder why Darren says no. O'Brien is not a dumb man, he knows, like EVERY DETECTIVE SHOULD KNOW what it takes to get a conviction. Unfortunately many "homicide" detectives DON'T KNOW what it takes to prove up a case in court and present a pile of shit to the Felony Review Unit thinking they have a great case when in fact there are still a hundred questions that need to be answered. So Asshat please tell everyone what your job title is because you a definitely part of the problem and not the solution.
Youve gotten Felony Charges on Every Murder.....PLEASE!!!!! No Fucking way in hell, no matter how good you are, there are times even a good case does not get approved. Now go blow yourself.
Two nights ago in 003, a guy was working on his car, which also happened to have a for sale sign in the window. At this time, a guy walks up and inquires about the car. He then asks for the keys to "hear the engine." He starts the car up, and, as the owner went back in his garage to get a pen and paper, the guy puts the car in drive and takes off. He hits another vehicle pulling out of the driveway and flees at a high rate of speed. The victim gets into a car with his father and gives chase. The offender then crashers into a house about three blocks away, at which time he attempts to flee on foot. He is captured by the victim and several bystanders and fights with them all until the police arrive.
The guy is placed into custody and transported to Stroger Hospital in critical condition, as he suffered massive chest trauma when he hit the house. Now here's where the story gets good. . .
The arresting officers call ASA Parra for felony approval. She states that she will not approve the charges without a statement from the offender (Remember. . . he's in critical condition and can't talk). Needless to say, she C/I'd the case. The Watch Commander then calls her and informs her of all the facts again, but she simply would not listen. Her reasoning was that the guy could have been simply taking the car for a test drive, which would only make it a C.T.T.V.
The officers then go to the hospital and get a statement from the offender. As you can imagine, he stated that he was only taking the car for a test drive, and, because he hadn't driven in a while, lost control and hit the house. ASA Parra rejected charges based on this self-serving statement.
Apparently, the fact that he: (1) struck a car; (2) fled at a high rate of speed; and (3) fought with everyone around in an attempt to flee the scene was not evidence enough that he intended to steal the car.
The Watch Commander then called the ADS for an override. At this same time, FOX 32 10:00 News did a story on the incident. When the Deputy called ASA Parra, she suddenly had a change of heart and approved the charges. According to her, she didn't know about the two separate accidents, high-speed chase or fight with the victim & bystanders.
Apparently ASA Parra does not read or hear very well, as all this information was presented to her multiple times by both the arresting officers and the Watch Commander, and was contained within the case report that was faxed to her.
Could it be she changed her mind because the story made the 10:00 news?
Hmmm. . . I can't believe an ASA would ever be influenced by the media.
That was a very mature response and if you do not believe my claim come to Area 5 during afternoons and I will PROVE what I told you. We'll know who you are and then once I show you then you can go on this blog and apologize. Thank you and look forward to meeting you.
"I have NEVER and I will say it again NEVER had a homicide case rejected by the state's attorney's office unless we were seeking to get it rejected".
NEVER had a Homicide case rejected?
BULL SHIT.
Seeking to have a Homicide case rejected?
No Detective worth a dime would ever call in a Homicide case seeking a rejection!
UNLESS YOUR IN COLD CASE, and need the X-Clear to keep your spot.
Let me guess, your one of these guys that sits around all day telling every body else in the office how you are the best Detective the CPD has ever had!
One thing you are right about is that not every Detective knows what it takes to get a case approved or prove a case in court.
I have been a Detective for 10 years and learn somthing new every day. And I will say some of it I have learned from the A.S.A.s The problem is there is no consistancy when it come to F/R. Every day it's somthing differant. What worked today won't work tomorrow.
If your so F*cken good let us know who you are because me and about 700 other Detectives who love to sit down with you and learn you secrets.
No Detective would ever seek a rejection on a homicide? That shows you don't know what you're talking about. Some homicides are shit from the beginning (victim and witnesses, etc) and are not worth fighting for. If you were a good detective you would know the difference between homicides that will be approved versus the homicides that no matter how hard you try you just can't get it past the goal line because the witnesses are inconsistent, uncooperative, etc. Does swearing at people in your posts make you feel like a tough guy? Your ignorance shines like a diamond. A little less ignorance and little more intelligent responses will go a lot farther, detective. Use some decorum and the brains you were given instead of trying to sound like some westsider.
Brothers and sisters in blue
I am a State's Attorney Investigator and part of the KMA Club. How do you think we feel? All these asa's are jerks. All that they say is"this is my case"
or "don't try and tell me how to run a case, I am the lawyer here".
They learn this from the people on top. We have been Devine's whipping boys since his "close" friend was forced out. I will say this, Bernie Murry and Mike Smith are great guys, they are the ones that should be running the Office.
When I come to Area 5 to see your AMAZING stats who do I ask for? Or do I just look for the gigantic head and ego floating on the floor. Your arms got to be killing you from all the patting your self on the back.
YOU SAID;
"No Detective would ever seek a rejection on a homicide? That shows you don't know what you're talking about. Some homicides are shit from the beginning (victim and witnesses, etc) and are not worth fighting for. If you were a good detective you would know the difference between homicides that will be approved versus the homicides that no matter how hard you try you just can't get it past the goal line because the witnesses are inconsistent, uncooperative, etc. Does swearing at people in your posts make you feel like a tough guy? Your ignorance shines like a diamond. A little less ignorance and little more intelligent responses will go a lot farther, detective. Use some decorum and the brains you were given instead of trying to sound like some westsider".
First of all if you read my post and are able to comprehend what was written, you would have noticed that I did not swear at any one.
"BULL SHIT" is a simple response and me expressing my opinion.
"If your so F*cken good" was used in a discriptive manner.
Now if I had said F*ck You or You are Full of Shit, that would be swearing AT some one!
Yes I do consider my self a good detective and I know what it takes to put together a good case before I call it in.
The differance between me and you is that I don't have to run around telling every one how good I am to feel good about my self.
I would also never try to tell anyone I have never had a homicide case rejected and expect any one with resonable intelligence to believe it because, thats bull shit. Oh, did I swear again? Damm.
YOU SAID;
"Some homicides are SHIT from the beginning (victim and witnesses, etc) and are not worth fighting for".
O.K. lets look at this. Some homicide cases are shit because the victim is not worth fighting for.
Just because you feel the victim and the witnesses are less of a person than you, does not justify calling the case in for a rejection.
Why not let the case cook for a while or maybe go out, do your job and find more credible winesses.
Calling it in for a rejection, (bar to prosecution) and an x-clear makes you a great detective, right???
Now the last time I checked, SHIT was still a swear word tough guy!
Why don't you take your decorum and your brains an go........ to church choir boy.
I sure hope you don't work for the CPD!
I like when I call felony review and the ASA finds out that a felony was commited down the street from their house. They have no problem approving those.
was in area 5 last week and had a rejected felony that the misdemeanor ASA took to trial and WON IT. what does that say about felonious review? shouldnt the cases all be losers? are the best ASAs really in the overworked misdemeanor courts because they havent been exposed to darren?
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